Cheat sheets/notes from my Saturn presentation- Mars-Saturn
Mars-Saturn
“You learn tolerance and patience when you become famous or you get in a lot of trouble. I work on my self-destructive behaviors. I try to get past them. There’ve been times when I’m very prone toward anger. And if I look at my anger, there’s usually fear behind it. Some sort of fear of something.” –Matt Dillon
You may have these feelings if you have:
- Any aspects in your chart that connect Mars and Saturn (conjunct, sextile, trine, square, opposition, etc.)
- Capricorn emphasis in your chart
- Saturn in Aries
- Saturn in your first house.
Positive traits of Mars-Saturn connections:
- Tons of stamina, drive, and endurance.
- Ambitious.
- Disciplined and organized
- Love hard work and work to accomplish goals, though intermittently
- Work well under pressure, in competition.
Negative traits of Mars-Saturn connections:
- Feel impotent (emotionally…) and out of control, which you really hate. You’re very afraid of being “run over” by other people and need to control them instead, via manipulation and/or attacking first.
- Have issues with masculinity- you just don’t feel like a man/manly enough.
- To deal with that, you either overcompensate and become uber-macho, aggressive, and controlling in your behavior…
- Or you advocate responsibility and let other people control you, and let other people act out your Mars issues. May be attracted to angry/domineering people (especially hetero women choosing this side of the aspect, who may not trust men and project bad things onto them anyway) and become a magnet for abuse.
- May have had very authoritative parents who squashed you, especially your father. Early emotional control/responsibility/discipline went on, too hard. Possible physical mistreatment here.
- This aspect has anger issues galore, which can in some people lead to a tendency towards violence. Exploding temper here.
- May either love fighting on behalf of authority…or against authority.
Poster children for Mars-Saturn:
- Matt Dillon (Saturn conjunct Mars/Sun)
- Farrah Fawcett (Saturn opposed to Mars)
- Ryan O’Neal (Saturn square Mars)
- Hillary Rodham Clinton (Saturn conjunct Mars and square Venus)
Synastry example: Prince Charles and Princess Diana (her Mars conjunct his Saturn)
Qualities of Mars-Saturn synastry:
- Saturn person gives Mars a dose of realism that Mars needs, and helps Mars focus and stay organized. Saturn is fascinated with Mars’s expression, since they can’t do it themselves. Mars can learn to not be so aggressive and learn to look before they leap.
- Obstacles do get thrown in your way. The Mars person will get angry because they want speed and Saturn is slowing them down. Saturn also has a lot more patience than Mars, and Mars doesn’t like being dictated to. Mars can also stampede over Saturn’s feelings. If Saturn can’t deal with its own feelings of inadequacy, Saturn may try to control Mars and put them down.
- Conflict in needs- fear vs. action, moving vs. slow, safe vs. adventure, etc.
- Kind of equates to parent/child or boss/employee in some ways. If this is between a parent and child for real, of the opposite sex, the child can see the parent as a symbol of man/womanhood.
- Marriage can start out passionate and then cool down afterwards, since Mars is passion and Saturn is fear. The Saturn person can withdraw and then Mars hates it when they do.
Suggested Saturnian solutions to this problem:
- Learn to assert yourself in an appropriate (not squashing others, but being loud enough to be heard) manner.
- Believe that you can get what you want without having to resort to doing it “the hard way.” You don’t have to always be controlling/squashing others in order to get things.
- Work on forgiving and letting go of past resentments, so as to chill out your anger.
- Work on understanding your own masculinity and practicing it in a way that puts you in control, but doesn’t turn you into a dictator in order to feel “manly.”
- You have a lot of energy and are attracted to physical jobs, and physical activities, so make sure you have some kind of physical outlet/hobby/exercise in your life for that energy to go towards. Martial arts and competitive things are particularly good. If you are unable to do hard physical work, uh…try World of Warcraft, I guess.
- The Jupiter solution (Jupiter in Aries/1st): Be independent and self-confident, promote yourself. Be adventurous.
