Cheat sheets/notes from my Saturn presentation- Sun-Saturn
Sun-Saturn
“When I was a kid, adults often told me I would be rich and famous some day. Apparently I was giving off some kind of ambition vibe early on. I think ambition is a genetic defect. You can’t have ambition unless you think there is something wrong with the way you are. Ambition is a state of feeling perpetually flawed.
By most objective standards, my career has gone well. By my internal standards, I am in a continuous state of not doing enough.” –Scott Adams, Dilbert creator.
You may have these feelings if you have:
- Any aspects in your chart that connect the Sun and Saturn (conjunct, sextile, trine, square, opposition, etc.)
- Capricorn emphasis in your chart
- Saturn in Leo
- Saturn in your fourth or tenth house.
Positive traits of Sun-Saturn connections:
- Very hard working and determined. Work rewards you when relationships don’t.
- Goal-oriented
- Inclined towards leadership or setting good examples for others.
- Ambitious.
- Loyal.
Negative traits of Sun-Saturn connections:
- Difficult childhood- parents, especially father, may have been disapproving/let you down in some way. May spend your entire life trying to get dad’s approval in some way. Felt insignificant as a child and the desire to BE significant drives you in adulthood.
- Grew up early- short/no childhood, bad things happened early on to force it.
- Lack of confidence, feel inadequate. Your very identity feels repressed.
- Emphasis on duty
- Depression-prone
- Can’t get away with anything!
- Difficulties in relating to men in general- especially “daddy issues”
- Really need to work for what you want.
- Some people may deny they have goals at all because they can’t deal with it if they fail at achieving them. Need to get started.
Poster children for Sun-Saturn:
- Scott Adams (Saturn opposite to Sun)
- Oprah Winfrey (Saturn square Sun/Venus)
- Wynonna Judd (Saturn square Sun)
- Arnold Schwartzenegger (Saturn conjunct Sun)
Synastry example: Patrick Swayze and Lisa Niemi (her sun trines his Saturn, his sun squares her Saturn).
Qualities of Sun/Saturn synastry:
- Sun person wants independence, ends up doing most of the compromising. Saturn person can be depressing to the Sun.
- Massive loyalty between the partners. Possible karmic ties, bond is hard to break. It’s like two souls have made a commitment to work on a lesson together/resolve an old issue. One feels responsible for the other- loves them enough to help them learn the hard lessons. There is a parent-child aspect to this on the psychological level.
- Saturn person admires the Sun person because the Sun person is happily living out what Saturn wishes they could. Saturn person offers guidance, security, and a sense of stability to the Sun person, and they can learn from the Sun how to act.
- The Saturn person can end up pushing the Sun down a path so they can live vicariously through them, or the Saturn person can squash the Sun person so they won’t outshine Saturn. Saturn needs to find their own purpose and joy instead.
Suggested Saturnian solutions to this problem:
- Try to examine and understand the relationship with your father, if possible. Work on healing it if possible. At the very least, see what went wrong and what you want to do differently to change it.
- You need to figure out how to control your own life and build your own sense of self. Others will not help you do this, so you need to work on independence and breaking ties with your family’s limitations.
- Develop your own sense of worth, rather than trying to fulfill someone else’s definition of it.
- Create your own masculine/masculine side identity, because you won’t learn how to do it from your dad.
- The Jupiter solution (Jupiter in Capricorn/10th): Set goals, make an action plan, go after what you want.
