Cheat sheets/notes from my Saturn presentation- Venus-Saturn

Venus-Saturn  

“Like the people who can just fuck and move on, and the people like me who, like, once you fuck somebody, you want to marry them. I’ve never had a one night stand in my life. First time I came to it, I wound up marrying the chick so it doesn’t count.” –Kevin Smith

You may have these feelings if you have:

• Any aspects in your chart that connect Venus and Saturn (conjunct, sextile, trine, square, opposition, etc.)
• Capricorn emphasis in your chart
• Saturn in Libra
• Saturn in your fifth or seventh house

Positive traits of Venus-Saturn connections:

• Loyal (perhaps overly so)
• Responsible in relationship (again, perhaps overly so)
• Faithful
• When you commit, you stick to it.
• Can provide real hard core love when in relationship.

Negative traits of Venus-Saturn connections:

• Gets rejected in love early on, is very painfully wounded by it, has a really slow recovery time. Most likely, this happens every time you get dumped.
• BIG rejection issues here, lots of loneliness. You want LOTS of proof of love.
• Tend to get into relationships because they are stable, or for money, or end up with a partner who brings burden/hardship into the relationship, rather than for love. Or you pick people who you “know” it won’t work out with.
• Duty is an issue- you will stick with a relationship even after the love is gone.
• You either tend to be really slutty OR celibate on a regular basis OR unable to do one-night stands (see quote) and need to commit once you start dating, ASAP.
• Difficulties in relating to women in general- especially on the level of femininity.
• Women in particular may have femininity/nurturing issues- either overcompensate or avoid anything feminine. Tend to feel “ugly.” Also, may either want no kids or tons of kids to avoid/make up for their own childhood. (Same as Moon there.). Men may feel like women “trap” them.
• Love is not free and easy for you- there always is a price to pay, and your relationships are a struggle when you are in them.
• May need to wait until you are at least over 40 to have love work out for you.

Poster children for Venus-Saturn:

• Tim Gunn (Saturn trine Venus)
• Gloria Steinem (Saturn conjunct Venus)
• Princess Diana (Saturn trine Venus)
• Kevin Smith (Saturn trine Venus)

Synastry example: Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes (his Saturn squares her Venus)

Qualities of Venus-Saturn synastry:

• Can be a binding tie, but comes with its share of challenges. This relationship will be about commitment, loyalty, and responsibility, not to mention mutual dependence. You are here to discover the reality of the relationship. This pairing may end up miserable or manage to have an honest relationship.
• Saturn person may help stabilize Venus’s emotions. They feel responsible for Venus, in a parent-like way. Venus can appreciate Saturn’s guidance.
• This is a need-based relationship that may bind past the love’s duration. Emphasizes marriage in particular “to make sure you don’t leave.”
• The Venus person may feel “lorded over” and restrained by Saturn, who criticizes and doesn’t seem to approve of them too much. But both sides can tend to try to restrict the other’s freedom, and insist on attention too much.

Suggested Saturnian solutions to this problem:

• Therapy. Big time. This one applies to everyone, really, but especially you guys.
• Need to tell yourself that you are worthy of love (easier said than done…)
• Work on how you associate love with pain, and try to change your beliefs about that. You may need to break ties with the people who have embodied these beliefs. “For someone with Saturn square Venus, such separations are practically required before s/he can change belief systems.” –Robert Glasscock.
• Make yourself whole. A romantic partner will not be able to do that for you.
• Your goal is to feel safe enough to at least drop some of your defenses with others, especially in relationships.

• Women in particular need to figure out your femininity for yourself, NOT by going off of female stereotypes. Figure out what aspects of femininity you are okay with and want to practice, and try not to judge yourself so hard for not checking off every box on the “What Women Stereotypically Do” list.
• The Jupiter solution (Jupiter in Leo/Libra/5^th/7^th): Team up with others, be outgoing. Get creative with decorating.
• Try manifesting a partner for yourself and see if that works for you. “Ask the universe to send you a real love, not a fantasy love. Ask for something singular and hand-picked to challenge you. Then commit to doing absolutely whatever it takes to feed and maintain the relationship. And accept that pain is part of the deal. With a chart like yours, relationship at times will be absolutely grueling. You will be made to face your fear when you are scared to death but I can tell you firsthand the reward is in proportion.”—Elsa Panizzon.