Elsa and the Saturn Return

Looks like it's becoming a whole dang series. I haven't gotten around to watching the videos yet, but I might as well post some links.

1. "People get pretty pissed when I make audacious statements like, “If you screw up your Saturn return at 29, your next chance comes at about 57 years old.”
   However, stories like this show just how true this is."

2. Video- reality does not create reality.

3. "If you want an example, consider the man who lives with his Mom beyond his Saturn return. Is he all the sudden going to move out when he is 33? No. I’ve never seen it, not even once. If he does move, it is to be with another mother figure and then right back to Mom in very short order. When does he get a chance to separate?
   Most likely when she dies… making him about 57."

4. "I don’t mean to doom him. I just think there is a point of maturity and once you go beyond it you don’t get any taller… until Saturn comes around again."
5. "What I am doing is noting the limitations when I see them because I’ll be damned if that door does not slam shut. It does slam shut."
6. "Saturn is pure. You are asked to do something that is hard… to persevere. There is pressure to define whatever the area or life is in play, to place “appropriate” boundaries, to take responsibility etc."
7. Video- demystifying the Saturn Return.
8. And this one is the real crotch-kicker:
   

When I was 28 I knew about astrology and I knew about Saturn returns. I believed at the time that what “Saturn” meant was that you had to grow up and be responsible, and what I did was, I went back to graduate school, got serious about being a grownup and a parent and spent the next 15 years trying as hard as I could to make something out of my life and being as responsible as I could to my husband, my mother, my brother, my child, the mortgage and society.
It was a mistake. I was buried, I should have stuck with my guitar. And myself.

Maybe most people think that what they picked on their Saturn return was a mistake, because they *didn’t* pick the other thing. So maybe the thing about Saturn is this, Elsa: your Saturn return is the only moment in your life that you have the *entire* world at your feet. One time offer only: you’ve got the time and the energy and the goodwill of the world so make a big wish.
When you’re 35, 40, 50, you look back and say damn, I could have done anything, and I did this.”

Elsa's response...

"As for having the entire world at your feet at the time of your Saturn return, this sounds upside down to me. It is more as if a person is presented with a mountain… not just a mountain but their mountain and they are expected to climb it. This puts them down not up and in your case it sounds as if you possibly climbed another person’s mountain which is easy to do.
For example, I started to identify myself as an astrologer at the time of my Saturn return. No one in the world thinks this is a great career path however I AM an astrologer in every cell of my body so I took this lonely road.
It’s many years later and while I have been punished by a society which disrespects astrology all along, I am deeply satisfied as I know for sure this is my right path and you can see the integrity in that. So the point of the Saturn return is not to meet society’s expectations but to locate your own compass and have the courage to get your ass up the hill.
The idea is to be the adult you are not the adult someone else says you should be and if you don’t manage this… well you are going to be compromised it’s just the way it is."

*sigh*

I definitely feel like an SR LOSER (with the hand gesture at the forehead, no less) reading all of this stuff. I don't like knowing that I will have to make up my own path with no vision (I can't visualize for SHIT). And to some degree it's just goddamned easier to climb someone else's mountain when everyone else is climbing it and you know what the layout is and where the end is. My mountain is pea soup foggy from the getgo and nobody else is climbing it and I don't want to be climbing it blind.

More from the last link in the comments...

"You know, something else I wanted to say was that this is all very generational/historical. We started with the kid who stays with his mom. In some cultures, at some points in history, this was the responsible option if the mom is a widow, which she often is. Or to work in the family business. Or to marry the stable guy your family adores instead of the lead guitarist. Or to get a steady job instead of writing your novel and living on ramen.
Women especially have to take this pretty seriously. To decide you want a career instead of children wasn’t even an option 100 years ago, and 100 years ago you’d be crazy to run off to the circus. Seriously crazy, a bad woman, an outcast…etc.
So when I was 28 this is what “getting serious about your life” meant. It meant giving up your childish fantasies, realizing you had to make something of yourself *in your society*. In my environment there weren’t that many women guitarists. There were a whole lot of comfortable wives, housewives and MBA’s though. You could either marry the law firm partner or get yourself an MBA. That was it, man. Those were the choices."