20 posts tagged “moon”
Theoretically, in a synastry, two people coming together with this aspect should facilitate one another in this way. There is an understanding between them. They feel comfortable together, complimented. They like one another. This works even in compatible elements (fire/air, earth/water) without an exact aspect, although the more exact the aspect, the greater the integration. In theory, at least.
Ever had a non-sexual relationship with someone whose Sun was conjunct your Moon, or vice versa? A friendship perhaps? Work colleague? Ever notice what happens? Usually, you get along okay, sometimes fabulously. You like the same things, you have the same attitudes, you feel comfortable with one another. You have fun together. But then, what happens? All that same-y stuff runs down an unconscious river between you. Pretty soon, you don’t notice it anymore, and then that’s when the conflicts of other planets kick in. And that wave of unconscious nicey-nice-ness that you were relying on suddenly turns on you a bit, because you find that the same qualities you really don’t like in yourself are reflected in the other person, like a bad mirror staring back at you all the time. Moon in Leo starts resenting Sun in Leo’s need for attention. Moon in Pisces starts steaming because Sun in Pisces is never home for dinner on time.
I'm sort of amused at this since my double Sadge friend is coming to visit...we're not conjunct, though.
The magic of the new moon is that for one day each month - the sun and the moon are on exactly the same page. This is not the normal state of affairs astrologically, and it isn't the normal state of affairs in human life. Balancing the relationship between our wants and needs, conscious and subconscious minds, our drive to do and our craving to reflect and find meaning is an ongoing process, dynamic, always in flux. It is normal for every person to experience a continuing range of compromises and adjustments in dealing with both needs and wants. It is, in fact, so normal, that many of us take it for granted and don't give it a second thought.
For one day each month, however, both the moon and the sun are willing to get together and have a brief conversation about how wants and needs can be merged, how the subconscious and conscious minds can work together. This is a great thing! It does indeed represent a wonderful opportunity.
Here's how you might take advantage of it: On the day of the new moon each month, allow yourself to experience the full intensity of your biggest or most immediate want. Perhaps it is as simple as the desire for a sexy new car - or an overarching desire to succeed in your career. Just allow yourself to feel how much you want it. That night, take fifteen minutes to allow your subsconscious to reflect on and talk to you about that want. What does it feel like, what are the hesitations, doubts, and fears, what need does it represent? You may write out your thoughts, or think quietly to yourself.
This is an important step. It wouldn't be a want or a wish if you had already fulfilled it! Since you haven't, there must be something blocking that fulfillment. The moon, the subconscious, is the key to finding out what that block is. Your conscious mind may tell you the reason you don't have a sexy new car is because you don't have the money right now. Your subconscious mind may tell you it's because your family will ostracize you if you become a sexy new person instead of the responsible, self-denying, practical car driving person they expect.
Ask your subconscious and conscious minds what they would like to do about fulfilling your wish. Your Sun may say - now that it knows what the problem is - let the family adjust. Knowing you'll probably get some flack, just be prepared to deal with it. Your Moon might say - wouldn't it feel so good to see that sexy symbol of your sexy, confident inner self sitting in the driveway.
Now that you know what's at stake with this particular wish, your Sun can go off and do it's business of calculating out how you are going to pay for this car, and your moon can on about it's business of reminding you that you need to validate yourself as a sexy, deserving person sometimes. The sun can help deal with the moon's fear of alienating family members, and the moon can help give the sun the motivation it needs to take the actions that will meet your needs. Perhaps you don't need a car at all - perhaps you need to adjust your relationships with your family members. The two luminaries working together can help you figure this sort of thing out.
This is something all of us should do anyway. Taking 15 minutes once a month to problem-solve and take stock of our desires is something any success guru can tell you is the minimum investment you should make in your future. Your Sun can take you many places - but none of them will be worth visiting unless they meet the needs of your moon as well.
A couple of other tips: You can use keywords associated with the sign and house position of the month's new moon to choose a desire to focus on. (Sometimes we have so many it's hard to figure out where to start!). You can also use the new moon in your own sign as the equivalent of the traditional 'birthday wish.' This is the one to just shoot for the moon (so to speak) and dare to believe you have a shot at it.
"Saturn is conjunct your Moon. Does this mean your mother was cold… or old? Maybe she died and you were deprived of a mother. Maybe she was a captain of industry, an accomplished woman in a position of authority. Maybe she beat you with a switch. Maybe she was depressed or she might have home schooled you. Maybe she was crippled or a Capricorn or a famous rock climber. You get the idea.
There are 11 guesses and I could give you 99 more in 15 minutes time but it makes a lot more sense for me to just ask you, “What was your mother like?”
This is great! Okay, not the bullying, but the analysis.
Anyone who really feels their power and prowess (MARS) has no need to batter people. That right there is a statement of fact. So I would say when you meet a bully they have a Mars problem.
Next, if you have self esteem, you’ve not reason to harm another person’s self esteem so my guess is Mars in hard aspect to one the personal planets, most like the Sun. But this does not mean everyone with Mars square their Sun is a bully!
Saturn in aspect to Mars is frustrating for the individual and may also create a bully but you cannot take this for granted. As an example, the soldier has Saturn in aspect to his Mars and he hunts bullies and tyrants.
I would say a person who gets bullied has similar aspects as the person who bullies, the lesson being you must learn to stand up for yourself.
I am a person who get bullied (to an extent) and when I stand up for myself I get bullied some more. I also get support so here again it smacks of Saturn / Mars.
As for how someone bullies, an internet bully would have Mars associated with Mercury (communication) or perhaps Pluto because they are anonymous. Mars in hard aspect to the Moon might attack women exclusively… etc. You get the idea.
George "Who, Me, Commit?" Clooney.
George Clooney is a Taurus (Sun conjunct Mercury) with Pisces Rising and Moon-Saturn in Capricorn. That Moon-Saturn is a very sombre position & despite his debonair aura, that denotes a person who is very careful/conservative with giving his heart & most likely with good reason. Early hurt etc etc.Ms Bhutto is an early Gemini with Moon in Leo & we don’t know the rising due to no time. Her Venus in Aries squares (challenging) his sensitive Moon-Saturn in Capricorn combo. Her Pluto in Libra squares his tetchy Moon-Saturn in Capricorn combo. Both have Venus in Aries but not conjunct. So that’s like a kind of similarity. But then her Saturn in Libra opposes his Venus. Her Jupiter squares his Jupiter. Her Sun squares his Chiron. Oh - a nice one - her Sun in Gemini trines his Jupiter in Aquarius. Her Uranus squares his Pisces Ascendent. Her Sun squares his Pisces Ascendent. This is a LOT of squares & that is just from a cursory glance.
Some squares between charts are good. They are all about growth. And you certainly know when the other person’s in the room. But too many makes for just old-fashioned they-get-on-your-nerves-ishness. Of course, if they did manage to overcome some of the obstacles between them, doesn’t this mean George Clooney could one day be first “lady” of Pakistan? Or first man? And would it help or hinder U.S-Pakistani relations?
Oh and note that Saturn has just entered George Clooney’s 7th house for the first time in 29 years. So he is suddenly incapable of casual relationships. It would have to either be a significant partnership (apparently with some geopolitical impact as well, as he is such an O.T.T. show-off with his cute little Mars at Zero degrees of Leo) or nothing-at-all. She is his Saturn-in-the-7th house manifestation. And maybe the Saturnine lesson would be a woman he cannot have…I am not generally judgemental re age gaps but i do think it is easier if both parties are either pre or post Saturn Return. It makes SUCH a difference.
Then again, she is having her Saturn Return in 2011 & with Saturn opposing her natal Venus shortly thereafter, reflecting a challenging & intense relationship most likely with an older person.
Moon-Saturn
“I’m a failure as a woman. My men expect so much of me, because of the image they’ve made of me and that I’ve made of myself, as a sex symbol. Men expect so much, and I can’t live up to it.” –Marilyn Monroe.
You may have these feelings if you have:
- Any aspects in your chart that connect the Moon and Saturn (conjunct, sextile, trine, square, opposition, etc.)
- Capricorn emphasis in your chart
- Saturn in Cancer
- Saturn in your fourth or tenth house.
Positive traits of Moon-Saturn connections:
- Loyal.
- Responsible.
- Self-sufficient.
- Practical.
- Trustworthy
- Able to keep calm when they need to
Negative traits of Moon-Saturn connections:
- Difficult childhood- parents, especially mother, may have been disapproving/let you down in some way. Love was conditional, you were forced to start suppressing your emotions very early on. Fear of expressing who you are, expression in general.
- Hard childhood- death, illness, poverty, separation may have happened.
- Difficulties in relating to women in general- especially “mommy issues.”
- Women in particular may have femininity/nurturing issues- either overcompensate or avoid anything feminine. Also, may either want no kids or tons of kids to avoid/make up for their own childhood.
- Emphasis on duty, especially taking care of others over yourself.
- Are likely to follow in family footsteps (good or bad), possibly end up with partners who are like your parents. May be controlled by your parents.
- Fear of criticism/being wrong/being inadequate- may be afraid to try new things.
- Attracted to relationships with hardships/burdens to them.
- Feel like you have to get your emotions satisfied through an unsatisfying family.
Poster children for Moon-Saturn:
- Marilyn Monroe (Saturn square Moon and trine Mars)
- Prince Charles (Saturn trine Moon)
- Madonna (Saturn square Moon)
- Martha Stewart (Saturn quincunx Moon)
Synastry example: Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton (his Saturn conjunct her Moon)
Qualities of Moon/Saturn synastry:
- Responsibility is implied in this relationship, it’ll be serious. Parent-child relationship implied again. Feeling their way towards true emotional intimacy, but it’ll be a challenge. Tests and trials are going to be part of the relationship, and sometimes it might be “off and on” out of frustration.
- The relationship brings out their individual needs for safety and security. The Moon person is attracted to Saturn’s dependability, Saturn envies how the Moon can express emotions, but doesn’t really get how to do it on their own.
- Moon person may feel that they need to censor their self-expression around Saturn, feel like they always have to come off as “adult” because Saturn may not approve, “get it”, or be able to handle their emotions. Saturn doesn’t get the “frivolous” expressions of neediness/dependency that the Moon might exhibit. Moon needs to try to NOT censor so much so that they get to the point of emotional isolation/frustration.
- Saturn needs to face fears and consciously not keep forcing the Moon to keep all emotions inside, and the Moon person needs to realize that sometimes Saturn has a point and is just not being harsh in order to be harsh. Trust with regards to sharing feelings needs to be built.
Suggested Saturnian solutions to this problem:
- Try to examine and understand the relationship with your mother, if possible. Work on healing it if possible. At the very least, see what went wrong and what you want to do differently to change it.
- Take care of your own emotional needs. You have to create what you are missing for yourself. Stop counting on others to give you what you need. You will need to develop your own inner strength and make your own security, because your family won’t provide it for you. Your goal is true emotional independence.
- You may have/need to burn bridges with your family if they are particularly toxic in order to grow and mature. They are not guaranteed security and love for you, and you can’t assume they will give it to you because you are related.
- Your goal is to feel safe enough to at least drop some of your defenses with others, especially in relationships.
- Women in particular need to figure out your femininity for yourself, NOT by going off of female stereotypes. Figure out what aspects of femininity you are okay with and want to practice, and try not to judge yourself so hard for not checking off every box on the “What Women Stereotypically Do” list.
- The Jupiter solution (Jupiter in Cancer/4th): Make others feel included and supported. Devote yourself to others and tend to their needs.
At first I was all, "Eh, y'all are just wigging out over nothing."
Then I thought about how my week's gone:
- got back from vacation
- had a stressful work week (for a change, my job usually isn't)
- got sick.
Heh. Neith, like me, has a LOT of Saturn shit.
In related news, I'm reading Elsa again and the comments here get interesting. Especially the chick who's tired of Elsa talking about her boyfriend all the time. (To which I say, well, I've been there and done that at times in my life, but it is her blog and she can write what she wants, and she writes about relationships, and what's under her nose right now...so...skip reading for awhile?) But really, here come the Venus Saturn folks...
"Yes, I believe Love is great and it is the highest joy one can experience. Will I have it in any lasting form?
No.
And as a Scorp w/ Cancer Moon and a Cancer Descendent… you can just imagine how I ache for a place to rest my head and call home…and feel safe…and protected… and unconditionally loved.
But alas, I have Saturn opposition Venus, an empty 7th house & my Venus is in Sag.
Apparently the universe doesn’t think I need a stable, lasting relationship. Um, OK. Thanks Universe! Too bad I’m too sensitive to endure this.
It’s brutal. I have intense, very short love affairs that I unconsciously destroy or the Universe destroys for reasons unbeknownst to me.
It’s fate.
And yet, I need love like I need air…but it just slips right through my fingers…
And it’s too painful to keep starting over since I’m apparently doomed due to the Saturn opposition."- "You are not doomed..What you are looking for you just haven’t found
yet…I have always thought saturn venus contacts showed stability..But
stability doen’t come easy and all of us have a different definition of
it.
My version of it is owning my own place that I can alway run home too if things get weird even if its only for a day..IT WASN’T A MAN PROVIDING THAT FOR ME EVEN THOUGH I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT Was..Even when I had that I NEVER FELT SAFE..
You just need to really think about what it is your looking for. You are the only one who can make you feel safe..That really is the truth…"
Notice that her Sun is in the sign Scorpio. Notice that the Moon’s south node is also in Scorpio. Remember, when you see the Sun near one of the Moon’s nodes, that means there’s an eclipse or two in the vicinity. The impression I get from reading her natal chart is that this is not the person she was when she was born. She has, in her life, gone through a series of metamorphs that have changed her on an essential level from one shift to the next — but at the same time, she is able to maintain the image of someone who is consistently always herself.The frightening thing is you never know who is behind that facade — and I gather that she doesn’t know either. The Pisces Moon is the most compelling astrological archetype I can think of for not being sure who one is. Indeed, it changes so often, and so unpredictably, that it would be hard to keep track of; but, if there are strong aspects, it’s possible to learn. But Hillary’s Moon makes only one aspect: to Juno. Her husband. Billy boy. And though Hillary is allegedly a kind of feminist icon (not!), let me say this somewhat politically incorrect thing: she would be nobody without him. He is the mission, the purpose, the idea. She is already clinging to the edge of reality, even with him there. But there is no question that she needs him to define her purpose and give her a solid reference point in the universe.
She has the image of stability, of stasis, but in truth she is the Human Earthquake.
