2 posts tagged “persephone”
It starts out as a rundown of the basic astrology, with discussion of certain angles and asteroids (I particularly liked her Juno, Chiron and Persephone writeups), and discusses one person's chart and how she'd treat it in a reading. Relationships and career in the horoscope are discussed.
But the kicker with me, seeing as I am one of these people is...she talks about how do you deal with people with really hard charts, who want something with all their hearts and have nothing but resistance in their charts to getting it?
Points she makes that I like:
- Don't ask will you get married, ask what do you need in a relationship that will make you happy, and can your current partner provide that? Also, what is your capacity to do relationships well and can you sustain interactions with others?
- If all of their indicators are unfavorable for something, encourage the development of other parts of their life. If it's a mix, relationships will be good and bad/difficult, but you can identify where the problems will emerge. What's at cross-purposes with your desires?
- Chiron is an unfixable wound. How do you deal with it? Are you supposed to be a healer? (In my chart, apparently YES, but I don't feel that urge.) Maybe you are supposed to learn personal knowledge of a condition so that you can help others.
- Likewise, Persephone-issue people might be called to deal with going into the darker side of the psyche.
- What is the best expression for the greatest good that I can do given these circumstances? How can I best use the situation, NOT for what I want or what I think will make me happy, but for what realizes the chart?
- What is being asked of you instead of realization of what you want?
- Reframe/spin the situation to get a different perspective.
- Make peace with not getting what you want, focus on what the chart does say you'd be successful at.
- Help others with their suffering.
Hmmmmmmmmmm."You may think it unlikely that this person will find happiness and peace with a partner who is gentle, kind and appreciative. Yet it is the topic of relationship that guides his life, and the thought of not being in a relationship is untenable to him. How can you reframe these chart indicators to make sense of his predicament? The counselor in you might speculate that he may have taken on a karmic commitment (ruler of seventh in the twelfth) to women who are filled with inner rage towards men due to their own previous circumstances (his Venus in Aries in the seventh). Because he is secure enough in his own inner strength, he is able to withstand their tirades and give them unconditional love, commitment, continual help, and emotional support to bring some healing into their lives. Everyone can benefit from and heal by being loved, and it may be that he is able and willing to extend this compassion to a type of woman who needs it very much. The question here is how to find peace with a situation a person is unable or unwilling to change by viewing it in a way that affirms the higher impulses of the individual."
Anyway, I'd recommend this book.
Persephone's Ransom. (I don't think this is a permalink, so I'm gonna copy and paste a lot of this.)
Living in the Mother’s Shadow
Everyone’s got to get out on his or her own eventually, no matter how well-meaning mom or a maternal figure might be in trying to protect us.Betrayal by the Father
Sometimes, a father or father figure arranges circumstance for us that feels like a betrayal. This usually manifests as one of those “They believe they know what’s best for us” deals about which we get pretty miffed.The Necessity of Abduction
No one grows up if they never grow up.
A. What Happens if You’re Not Abducted
Life gets boring and you have to do abduct yourself to save yourself from wasting away in the least exciting kind of life you can imagine.
B. What Happens if You’re Abducted
Everything changes…forever. You’re more mature, whether you welcomed the circumstances that got you there or not.
Oh lord, this not abducted thing is a big issue for me right now....
Yeah, I hear that out of people ALLLLLLLLLL THE TIME.
What We’re Learning When We Play Persephone
We-as-Persephone are learning about maturity, both in what is perceived to be mature and how one goes about being mature. Other people’s opinions, hopes and dreams about the development of the courses of our lives cease to matter when we begin identifying as adult agents in charge of our own lives. Living a Persephone story means at times finding out that what others opine, hope and dream about and for us just won’t cut it, and we have to figure out how to strike out on our own.
What you want for yourself is highly likely at least moderately more exciting and interesting to you than what a protector figure could have in mind for you. But the real point is that your idea of yourself and your life, and what you’d like to do with each, is yours. We can persist in doing what the protector figures would for whatever reasons prefer we do, and yet we’re not then living our own lives.To Persephone’s Aid
So, then, with the Persephone chapters in our lives, we’re talking about becoming self-determining adults, or self-reliant in a new way or to a greater degree. For some of us it’s harder than for others, and when we see the harder kind of story being lived by someone, it’s important to let go of judgments we might have about where they should be and what they should be doing. Part of assisting anyone to reach new levels of maturity is in becoming grounded in a healthy understanding that sometimes the best help we can give others is to limit the assistance we offer either in type, range or availability.
Since Persephone stories are about self-determination and embracing new attitudes of self-responsibility and -reliance, we can sometimes wonder how to help someone get through a sticky Persephone story. We can watch people linger a few inches before taking much-needed steps into self-reliance and maturity, with that foot into the future hovering hovering hovering…and it can drive us nuts to watch them do what we think is waste time and energy by not moving into the kind of future they clearly would rather be living.
For me, it's in Aries 16, 6th house, conjunct Mercury/Eris and opposite Pluto (hah hah).
Persephone Astrologically
Houses
Where your Persephone (asteroid 399) falls is where this dialogue plays itself out. In what arena of life will (should) your abduction occur? What are you hoping to be initiated into so you can feel more real, alive and fulfilled? Where could you use a self-love kick in the pants into maturity? Check yours out by house, sign and aspect. The house will indicate the arena of life one part of you may tend to remain perpetually puerile, the part of life you may perceive you need someone else to abduct you into a rich, full and more relevant experience.
See, this to me is part of the problem. What ties me here, to my mother, is responsibility, duty, and service. Feeling like to some degree I am (and am supposed to be) "in charge" of her. That I am obligated to her. And don't forget that I got raised to serve, serve, serve her. I'm not good at it, mind you, but in my family, WOMEN SERVE. That's why you're here. I've never fit with this at all (my feminine planets are all hammered), but I feel like I should WANT to sacrifice myself because "I love you soooooooooo much." Because supposedly my mother would do that for me, right?
6th house- Responsibility, duty, service, analytical awareness and related action
(Her behavior of late isn't acting like that, mind you...)
Blech.
I don't see this as wanting to be initiated into responsibility. I have too much of this. I want to be abducted FROM it.
Not sure what to say to this. God knows I'm being more direct and assertive with her...it just doesn't get anywhere. Especially when she forgets or "forgets" the argument you had and then things go back to the way they were. I don't know what the hell it is- she never had a fabu memory, could be early Alzheimer's (we don't get it early in the family, but dementia is around big time in a few more decades), could just be "menopause brain" (which is what it currently gets chalked up to). But one way or another, the reset button sure gets a smackin'.
Signs
Your Persephone sign shows the method and motivation of this part of you. It’s the mode of being into which you might be waiting to be abducted and, if no one shows up, you’ll eventually see that you have to take responsibility for on your own.Aries- directness, assertiveness, protective, boldness, bravery
So mentally I'm merging with chaos...well, that's a constant :P
The last bit is aspects. Aspects to your Persephone tell of the dialogues in your psyche she’s engaged in with other energies in your consciousness. Conjunctions indicate merging, sextiles trigger and stimulate, squares apply friction and pressure needing release, trines support and boost, and oppositions confront and challenge to face-offs.
I'm amused that Persephone is opposite Pluto. Doesn't sound good for the love life, does it? Or maybe it's fitting, given that historical pairing. Or fitting that every time I have a boyfriend, I'm stuck in the middle between a mother/boyfriend faceoff.
Back to the astrology...um, yeah, that pretty much amounts to opposing sides and war. Oh, there's that Eris again. Hah hah. Sometimes astrology is so literal.
The Ceres-Persephone Dialogue
For kicks: Understanding the dialogue between your Ceres (asteroid 1)
I guess technically mine are square (Ceres is at 22 Cap, 3rd house). Oh, wait, that puts it at square Pluto too...ASTROLOGY IS SO LITERAL!
Not sure what to make of this part.
and Persephone will also shed light on how your internal wiring related to this story is configured. The statement that Ceres makes is one of protection of others at the expense of risking living a rich, full life. The statement that Persephone makes is of wanting to be launched into new ways of being, those that provide her with opportunities to function as her own agent and thereby live with and from a greater feeling of wholeness. Look at the symbolism of each asteroid in your natal chart to uncover a new level of dialogue between these two parts of you, even if they’re not in aspecting each other. Hint: Your Ceres is where you might look after others before yourself, and your Persephone is where you might hope someone else might show you how to become self-determined.
In astrology the asteroid Persephone is listed as being number 399 in the asteroid scale. Where she shows up in our natal chart can be a place we look at to see and discover for ourselves where we feel taken captive and where we feel we have not been allowed to be ourselves.
Persephone’s placement in our houses can show us where we are afraid to take charge, and afraid to assert ourselves. It is where we give our power away to others, or it was taken from us by force. It is where we ask others we consider more powerful than we are to make our decisions for us and take care of us. In essence it is where we hoodwink ourselves and allow ourselves to be taken underground.
Sixth House: we may not stand up for ourselves in the workplace;
