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    <title>Saturn Return Can Bite Me</title>
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        <title>Uranus and Saturn retrograde</title>   
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        <p><a href="http://kristinfontana.com/articles/uranus.htm">I haven&#39;t heard this on Saturn retrograde before...</a> <div><br /><blockquote><p>

<span style="font-size: large">Anyway, a retrograde archetype, whatever planet you
apply it to, is simply the need to withdraw, to retreat, to rebel from
the status quo expectation of how that planetary behavior is meant to
manifest from a societal point of view. This necessary rejection of the
status quo via the retrograde principle accelerates the natural
evolutionary pace. Why? Because when you are withdrawing from the
status quo you are arriving at your own unique and individual
expression, essential individuality, of whatever planet of function is
retrograde. The retrograde principle is non-static. It is very similar
to peeling the layers off an onion to arrive at the core. That is why
it is non-static; rarely does the retrograde aspect of a persona nature
kick back and go &quot;aha, that&#39;s it, no more, I&#39;m relaxed and satisfied
with this.&quot; In other words, the layers of conditioning are very deep
and it takes along time to arrive at an utterly deconditioned state.</span></p><p>

<span style="font-size: large">So, if we have Saturn retrograde, and we are talking
about social conditioning patterns, could we now deduce that the Saturn
retrograde person is going to be intrinsically oriented to rejecting,
rebelling, withdrawing from, and questioning such social imprinting. In
so doing, the individual would come to define her or his own natural
authority ( Saturn), customs, regulations, norms, taboos, and way of
integrating into the culture that he or she is born into. When Saturn
is retrograde the door is open and pointing to Uranus. Thus, in
general, the very nature of individuals consciousness is intrinsically
different. In general, there is more of a sense distance or detachment
from the immediacy of one&#39;s family and culture, a sense that there is
more to reality (Saturn) than is being focused upon by the family or
culture. This sense is produced by Uranus impacting upon by the family
or culture. This sense is produced by Uranus impacting upon the Saturn
retrograde. It is this Uranian sense that magnifies or intensifies the
essential role of Uranus in Saturn retrograde individuals; to liberate
and be free from the conditioning patterns of society, family, or any
other conditioning pattern that is perceived to be limiting the ongoing
individualization of identity.</span></p><p>

<span style="font-size: large">Commonly, the Saturn retrograde is going to have a
problem with one or both parents. It does not mean that they are going
to be enemies, but it does commonly imply that one or both of the
parents, most commonly the father, is going to reflect the values,
beliefs, lifestyle, standard of conduct, what is right and wrong,
opinions, and so on that the offspring simply cannot accept. In certain
family situations this can be a problem and can create an emotional
distance from the offspring to such a parent. And, from an evolutionary
point of view, necessarily so. The point is that, at one level, Saturn
correlates to a need to integrate our own sense of individual identity,
authority, and purpose within the context of social purpose and
cultural authority. We all have a specific social function to play out
in the large social scheme of things on behalf of our culture. We all
do. How we go about this is described by the totality of our birth
charts and specifically Saturn. Saturn correlates to what we call the
social maturation process, the process and transference from childhood
to adulthood.</span><br /></p><p><br /></p></blockquote></div></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>Saturn retrograde in the natal chart</title>   
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        <p><a href="http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_retrogrademotion.shtml#retro5">Even worse than usual!</a> (found by my friend who also has this.)<br /><div><br /><blockquote><p>&quot;They are the ones who rebel against authority. These people will not be pushed around. They typically have father issues and have probably gone through a time when they did not even believe in the Ultimate Father (God). Those with Saturn Retrograde are often victims at the hand of someone who was in authority or someone who had power over them. When these people grow up . . they are PISSED OFF, with an emphasis on the &quot;pissed&quot; and &quot;off&quot;. Sorry, but there was no other way to say it. They have a chip on their shoulder. These people have been violated. During Saturn Retrograde, the feelings from that legitimate anger may return if the individual has not yet dealt with it and the probability of the victim holding the abuser accountable will happen during Saturn Retrograde. Confrontation is inevitable if the individual chooses to put the responsibility where it should be in the first place. Keep in mind that abuse in astrology shows up in many forms in the Natal Chart. This is just one of them. Also, abuse in astrology is either sexual, emotional, physical, neglect, fear (intimidation) or chemical. In astrology, abuse is abuse and no one form is worse than the other because it is still abuse.</p><p>When Saturn goes retrograde affecting those in Example #1, because they naturally have Saturn retrograde in their Natal Chart, the illusion is that they are holding everyone else accountable and not really the person who did the abusing. This is a perfect example of an abused woman who holds all men accountable when it just isn&#39;t true. That is the illusion. She will often seek out men just like the abuser in order to gain the Love that was not properly given in the first place. If this illusion has not been properly addressed, the feelings may return in order to address it once and for all. In this instance, the illusion is that all men are created equal. The reality is they are all different.</p><p>These individuals (male or female) with Saturn Retrograde in their natal chart are tough and they are typically arrogant because they rebel against authority, which is also an illusion. They are really reserved, alone, shy and introverted. They will voluntarily isolate themselves from others (family and friends) because they are not understood by them. That&#39;s because they are not telling others their personal abused business. The healing will come when they realize that it was not their fault once and for all, thereby turning to a higher authority figure than the one they encountered here on the planet . . . namely, God the Ultimate Father. These people will become very spiritual and closer to God as a result. If that is what they choose. It&#39;s all free will. The free will of one person affects the free will of another person. A person with this a Retrograde Saturn in their Natal Chart will now have to learn responsibility and self-discipline because it was not taught properly to them. YOU MUST ACCEPT PERSONALITY RESPONSIBILITY for all of your &#39;free will actions and reactions&#39;, otherwise it is a Life of blaming the abuser and everyone else for who you are. You must overcome this.&quot;<br /></p></blockquote></div></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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