15 posts tagged “south node”

Soulmate signs (if you're into that sort of thing), and then a few couples for analysis:

Stevie and Lindsay:

"I have found, in my experience as an Astrologer, the two most important factors that indicate a significant relationship are contacts, from one person to the other, that hit one or more of the four angles of a chart: the Ascendant-Descendant axis (1st-7th house cusps, and the horizon line), and the Midheaven-Nadir axis (4th-10th house cusps), as well as the Lunar Nodes, which are considered strong indicators of our soul purpose and karma. I have noticed, in most of my significant relationships, a planet or planets, angles, or nodes will fall on one of my angles, nodes, or planets and sometimes vice versa. And this is totally the case in Lindsey and Stevie's relationship chart.

Lindsey's North Node (16 Aries) is conjunct Stevie's Ascendant (18 Aries). Stevie's North Node (13 Taurus) is conjunct Lindsey's Midheaven (10 Taurus). Stevie's Saturn (planet of karma) falls exactly on Lindsey's Ascendant/Mars/Pluto conjunction (17 Leo).

The way I read it is, they were married in a past life/lives (denoted through the Descendant, IC, and South Node connections), and in this life, they agreed to work it out in front of the world (as the Ascendant, Midheaven and North Nodes indicate). A Taurus Midheaven suggests that this time around Lindsey is gaining self worth by learning to rely on his own resources rather than other people's. An Aries Ascendant suggests that Stevie needed to become her own individual person outside of a relationship, and become a star on her own.

I think they tried to get back together as a couple because of the South Node familiarity, but the universe was prodding them toward their North Nodes and evolutionary growth. I think they separated and lived their own lives and became their own individual people, and now that they accomplished this, they are free to make music together again."

Desi and Lucy:

"Steven Forrest describes a soulmate as somebody who "messes with your soul." I like that. It implies that all of us are going to meet these special people along the way who our going to have a tremendous transformative impact on our foundation (our soul). We grow and evolve because of their presence in our lives. Everybody wants to find their one true soulmate, but even if you are lucky enough to find "the one," I suspect there will still be other people outside that relationship that will have a major soul shaping influence on you as well. Why limit ourselves to just one?

Also I have to add regardless of how beautiful and powerful the astrological connection is it doesn't mean that you are destined to live happily ever after or that your relationship will ever get off the ground in the first place. There is something that is much bigger than astrology that decides that and I think mostly it depends on how dedicated the two people are to making it work. It's only after the universe decides to bring you together and you both consciously decide that you want to be together that the astrology really comes into play. This applies to all kind of relationships not just romantic ones.

The fiery redhead Lucille Ball had an outgoing, expressive Leo Sun with a hard-as-nails Capricorn Moon in the Ascendant. Desi Arnaz was a sensitive Pisces with an equally sensitive and feeling Cancer Moon magnified to the extreme by it's conjunction with Pluto in the Ascendant. Just from those basic astrology observations we can see that these two people had very different natures but luckily opposites attract.

This is clearly shown astrologically by their Ascendants being almost directly opposite to each other. The Descendant and the 7th house in our own horoscope describe what we look for in another person and what we need in a relationship. Lucy has Cancer on the Descendant (conjunct Pluto) and Neptune in the 7th house so she needs emotional warmth, caring and domesticity (Cancer) in her partner and in her relationships with others. We can also expect with Neptune in the 7th that she would be asked to make great sacrifices in her marriage, she may over idealize her partner and look at her partner as a savior or become too much of a help mate to her partner. It's documented that Desi had problems with drugs and alcohol during their marriage and that's a classic Neptune in the 7th house situation.

Desi fit Lucy's 7th house bill perfectly with his Cancer Moon-Ascendant and his Pisces Sun and Mars (deposited by Neptune). Desi has Capricorn on his Descendant suggesting he needs structure and organization in his relationships and he's looking for an authority figure and somebody who will help further his career and social ambitions. Lucy fits his bill with her ambitious and authoritative Capricorn Moon and Ascendant. Their Moons overlay each other's seventh house of marriage, filling their partnership with strong emotions, both negative and positive, as they also provide one another with a great feeling of comfort and familiarity."

Howard and Robin:

"The next soulmate connection we see is that Howard's Nodal axis squares Robin's MC/IC axis. Her deepest roots (IC) and public destiny (MC) are intertwined with Howard's evolutionary journey (Nodal axis). Howard's Moon overlays her 10th house of Career, his emotional needs are in line with her career goals and this is another indication of deep comfort and success in their professional relationship. We see that his Sun and Capricorn planets overlay his 6th house of the work place proper, I noticed that when somebody's Sun falls in my 6th house they want to do things for me (it's a real Virgo feel), so Howard probably likes to serve and take care of Robin and Robin sees Howard as very useful.

In this case Howard and Robin are not lovers, they do not live together, and they don't even socialize that much outside of work. They have, however, spent almost every weekday morning together for over 25 years, and so they are forever linked together in the minds of their fans. That's a really powerful thing and their astrology together shows it."

I mean like, LOVES his mother. This reminded me of reading Noel Tyl and what he says about guys who have issues with their mothers. Namely, guys with a planet conjunct or square the nodal axis (page 72 on the link) tend to have this.

Checking Shia's chart, yup, he's got Venus in Cancer square the axis.

Obama family analysis.

Mainly because I can't stand to read any more doom n' gloom on the astrology sites either.

So, found some other stuff to mention.

Even though I am sick of the political stuff too, I did think the synastry of the McCains was interesting.

Because of their 18-year age difference, they both have the North Node in Capricorn, South Node in Cancer. The synastry aspects to the lunar nodes show a deep connection, with her Venus-Jupiter in Gemini forming an out-of-sign conjunction with his South Node in Cancer. This aspect may show how her wealth allows them to live comfortably with several homes around the country. Her Mars conjoins his North Node in Capricorn, providing active support for his need to serve his country and its traditions.

Chiron is another active element in their synastry, with her Venus conjunct his Chiron in Gemini and his Moon conjunct her Chiron in Capricorn. The question here is whether these two sympathetic personal planets have provided a comfort level allowing for the healing of old wounds. Chiron often shows us where we feel most insecure, and John has a square between natal Chiron and Venus, reflecting doubts about being loveable. Cindy’s Chiron is closely trine her Sun, suggesting that she experienced positive reinforcement of her self-esteem growing up, thus making it likely she has been able to help John sort through his issues in this area.

They both have Juno in Leo, with Cindy’s Pluto in Leo closely conjoining them. Their idea of an ideal marriage and household is thus very similar, and this particular aspect has no doubt stood them in good stead with all the entertaining in support of John’s political career over the years. With Pluto adding his two cents, discussions about jealously and possessive behaviors had to have played a role behind the scenes.

I always find it interesting when there are node connections, especially since in this case it's mutual and they both have a connection to the nodes of the other.

A synastry question, post-relationship: "Considering that Venus, Mars and the Moon are involved in our conjunctions, as well as the signs Libra and Scorpio, all related to relationships, I wonder about the nature of the connection between Dan and I. What happens to the connections in the charts now that we are no longer in a relationship? Also, how is it possible for us to have such strong astrological connections but for us to not have sustained a relationship? I don’t think we will get back together but it is a remote possibility. I cannot put to rest that we have these astrological connections and yet we don’t have a connection through being in relationship."

I've always wondered about that too.

Speaking to the first side of this discussion — a conventional theory on chart comparison — when you’re looking for solid synastry, you want contact between the Sun, the Moon and the angles if possible. By angles, I mean the ascendant and/or the descendant. These are the three things we tend to feel the most, and which — for good or ill — suggest that we have karma to explore, create or resolve with the person. As a fourth possible thing to search, the lunar nodes can indicate a significant spiritual connection. And that, basically, is what you’re looking for.

Conjunctions count for the most. Carl Jung, who was an astrologer as well as a psychiatrist, cast the chart of every client he worked with. He discovered the phenomenon of Sun/Moon/ascendant in the charts of married people. Your Sun conjunct someone’s Moon (even using a fairly wide orb) speaks of a connection that could develop. Someone’s Sun conjunct the other person’s ascendant or descendant would be viable as well, and reveal some points of harmony between the two people, since again, we really feel that Sun, Moon and rising sign. But you have to watch for the exceptions as much as you do the rules.

Usually, I find synastry to be better at figuring out why a relationship didn’t work out than predicting whether one will. Generally what happens is that there will be a lot of connections that look good, but then for example there may be a harsh connection between someone’s Mars and the other person’s Moon. This might trigger the other person, giving an image of them feeling insecure or unstable, or something like that.

As with any chart review, you’re going to find things that seem harmonious and argue for a productive experience, and things that are not so harmonious and argue for a more challenging connection. You need to weigh and balance the factors — and reality check in the relationship.

But here is the thing. We who are curious about relationships need to reinvent them. We need to make room for the karma piece, which needs a safe forum to work out. We need to make room for the monogamous piece, that offers total devotion. We need to embrace the slut who says yes because that’s what she wants. And we need to embrace that virginal whore — the masturbator and selflover, whether she be the one abandoned or the one indulging existence.

What You Don't Want To Know About Yourself:

"However, as an astrologer and therapist, I find that most people simply don’t “hear” what their North Node is suggesting. It’s like a blind spot. They’re more likely to recognize their South Node because it’s their default pattern and represents both the gifts and liabilities they came into this life with. We know our gifts---and even most of our sins and failings, even if we don’t want to admit it. We know our South Node. But when confronted with the North Node sign and house and aspect patterns, there’s usually a silence in the conversation. The information is trying to settle in, but it feels unfamiliar, and almost---wrong. “No, that isn’t me,” I can almost hear my clients saying.

But it is. It’s the qualities, traits and areas of life that we are most unfamiliar with, and it’s the particular arenas of life we try to avoid. “ Must I really go there?” we ask. “Do I really need to be more that way?” they respond with a slight look of distaste. We have an innate antipathy to this region of life. Yet if we are to be truly whole and healthy, we would be wise to do as Carl Jung suggested: integrate the shadow---integrate the North Node and the whole Nodal story."

My question on nodes and synastry made it to Real Astrologers today. Woot! (I really need to do a writeup now that I have full astro-data for my mom...)

"awhile back I waded through a bunch of family birth dates to look for reversed nodes patterns. The most reversed nodes were between mother and child for some reason."

O RLY?!?! (Yes, I thought that.)

"Reversed nodes are not easy to live with, because the nodes represent a strong theme in our lives and in the case of reversed nodes, very simply put, you are going in opposite directions. Most often the child moved far away from the mother as soon as possible because of the irritation factor."

Makes sense. I have moved, but Not Far Enough, as many people point out. Moving farther away isn't really an option though (or at least, I can't afford a farther move). And really, for me it's the communication factor that drives me nuts more than the in-person, and the communication factor won't be negated by moving. Which is to say, she wants CONSTANT communication between us, and that's where I have the problem. I can deal with visiting fine, but the communication demands, no.

"With a planet or planets conjunct a node, they act to amplify the nodal energy. Even Venus, who has a reputation for being pleasant, can come off as cloying. Jan Spiller, in her book Cosmic Love, suggests the South Node person may feel a sense of indebtedness to the Venus person, who is inclined to be overly permissive in this instance. The Venus/North Node conjunction is about helping each other with self-worth issues."

Yes, I feel VERY INDEBTED to her. I'm her mother and her child and her spouse at this point in time, and all three mean that I have to take care of her. I'm shitty at it, but I can't abandon her.

"In the case of the North Node/Venus conjunction, finding a balance between being supportive and nurturing oneself may be easier to sort out, because we are usually more detached when it comes to the North Node. However, the South Node/Venus conjunction may take more tact to handle. If it were me, I’d opt for distance. Then, I’m a Libra and not fond of confrontation!
My mother’s North Node was in Libra conjunct my Moon/Neptune. In the end, I had to move out of town for several years to help separate my emotional baggage from hers. We were always close, but it was my choice to keep a measure of distance between us. Otherwise, I ended up feeling overwhelmed. Sometimes it’s what we need to do to preserve our sanity with nodal connections . . . maintain some distance."

*sigh* Yeah.

Being as I am obsess-o about (a) Saturn, (b) moon nodes, and (c) karmic signs in astrology, I am actually posting something politically related here:

"Hillary Clinton's chart shows that she has the planet Saturn making a very tight square to the nodes of the Moon.
The lunar nodes are not planets in the chart and don't carry any energy of the personality; they are like signposts that point us in the direction from our evolutionary past to our future. Tight aspects from a planet to the nodes of the Moon often indicate a karmic issue that an individual brings with them from a previous lifetime. Saturn, being the planet of order and governance, is an indicator that Clinton came into this existence with a predisposition to fear that she will never achieve her goals. This is exacerbated by the fact that she has four planets in intense and power-driven Scorpio which keep her locked into the past of her Scorpio South Node, and no planets in peace-loving and stable Taurus which is her destiny as shown by the North Node."

I have to say that if she's got a predisposition to fear that she will never achieve her goals, it's a reasonable fear. And quite likely.

In related news, sigh, John McCain is getting quite lucky when it comes to nodes himself.

I truly hope that past lives don't exist (even though my religion is all, "they most certainly DO"). I find the idea of them to be REALLY depressing.

That said, about the one thing that ever convinces me that past lives exist for sure is astrology. Because sometimes just looking at charts, I am like, "WHOA."

For example, me and Mom and our opposite nodes. (Which this site claims is a sign of soul mates. Eeek, I say.) She has Venus right on her north node, which means it's on my south node.

Supposedly having a planet on your north node is supposed to help you go towards that goal. Lovely for her (though I certainly don't think it's happening), but crap for me.

I don't like to be the person who is all, "Planets on the south node hold you back in synastry, man, it's baaad!" I loathe that interpretation. That said, it does feel that way with my mother. I've read interpretations that amount to "you were star-crossed lovers in a former life" and to some degree, given how I feel practically married to her, obligated to her, in charge of her...yeah, seems right.

Ugh, married to my mother, though...

I find Venus conjunct NORTH node to be very attractive- enough to make me think, "I need to end up with someone with Venus at the end of Virgo or start of Libra...paging all fall birthday boys!" But south, argh.

As has been previously mentioned around here at some point, my mother and I have opposite NN/SN's from each other. She's Aries NN and I'm Libra NN.

I would like to share with you a particularly irritating conversation we just had on the phone. Background: Mom's always been a shopaholic, but since Dad died it gets worse and worse.

"I am really out of control."

"Yes, you are."

"I need someone to crack the whip on me."

"Well, you're going to have to do it for yourself, because nobody's going to come along and take care of you and you don't listen to me."

"You're going to have to crack the whip on me."

"You don't listen to me."

"When have you ever told me to stop spending money?"

"LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, AT THE DOLLAR STORE." (She wanted to buy a bunch of random toys "for the kids next door." She is not close to these children. Or for that matter, even SEEING them at Easter to give them a buttload of Peeps toys. I only got her to put back about a third of the pile. She also got mad that I talked her out of buying her psuedo-boyfriend some ugly rubber cow.)

"Oh, that's the dollar store, that doesn't count."

(I smack my head at this point, and don't even waste my time mentioning the fact that an hour ago, her friend was calling me for help in getting Mom to take back $1000+ worth of jewelry to the store, and the ensuing "You only listen to her, not me or psuedo-boyfriend," and the "[Psuedo-boyfriend's] mad at me for not listening to him" sneak phone calls she made to me while her friend was out of earshot.)

"Mom. YOU DON'T LISTEN TO ME. GO SEE A THERAPIST and maybe THEY can crack a whip on you."

*silence* "If you love me, you'll do this for me. You have to."

"Way to manipulate me, Mother."

It's like a bad comedy skit some days.

The books will tell you that contrasting nodes are beneficial, because you can teach the other one. GOD, DOES THAT EVER NOT FUCKING WORK. Mom absolutely is codependent (without someone to cling to on a 24-7 basis any more), doesn't get anything done without someone else, can't manage on her own. Boy, does she ever make that clear.

On the other hand, who the hell else is going to hold her hand all the time? She refuses to officially date (I will not get into the psuedo-boyfriend issue, let's just say he's not gonna be there 24-7 either), I can't bear to live "at home" any more, and your friends can't be your babysitter 24-7 either. She NEEDS to learn independence by now, because you can't always count on a helping hand to be there when you need it. But, she refuses, and keeps looking for only "acceptable" help, i.e. me. And yet, she won't listen to me because I'm the child. So in the end, she's "out of control", refuses to control herself, and won't listen to the lone person she will supposedly "accept" to ride herd on her. Yeah, that's lovely.

In return, she certainly reinforces my Aries SN every time I think, "God, you HAVE to suck it up and deal on your own! It's not the worst thing ever!"

"The prevailing theory over the past decade or so is that the South Node represents the issues you resolved in a past life or, alternatively, what you brought into this incarnation with you, while the North Node represents your challenges in this lifetime and the lessons you need to learn. Astrologers have become increasingly dissatisfied with this explanation and are coming up with alternatives.
Michael Lutin, who has done extensive work on the nodes, believes they represent behavioral patterns programmed at an early age and what you need to do to break the cycle. I know that many of you weren't impressed with his book, Sunshines, but it blew me away. I picked it up again the other day and reread what he wrote about my South Node. He was right on the money — which is my key issue, with South Node in Taurus on the IC.
Every attempt I've made in my adult life to find security via a full-time job with benefits has failed miserably, to the point that I've gotten a complex about it. But what I've realized, finally, is that it's not going to work, and it's never going to work, because that is not what is going to fulfill me. Or, we might say, it's not my destiny.
A quick check of the charts of some friends and clients tells me that I may be onto something here. A friend of mine (you know who you are, sweetie) complained to me recently that her life has been a never-ending series of doing things for others and that she has had no time or energy to pursue her own passion. Her South Node is in Virgo in the seventh house. It seems that we are all having a South Node crisis. We are being dragged down into patterns that we've repeated over and over that have never served us and never will.
What is keeping us from going in that direction we need to go? In my case, fear is the only explanation. Fear is a primal reaction — a first-chakra response, within the domain of Pluto and Mars, whose two moons are Phobos and Deimos (Fear and Panic). And it seems there is only one antidote for fear, and that is being thrown into the situation that one is most afraid of.
So here we all are, forced to endure what we fear will kill us.
The question, of course, is how do we break this cycle? Michael Lutin's recommendation is essentially "just do it." I don't believe this is possible without an intermediary step.

We can start by integrating our own internal polarization. The key, I believe, is not to repress or abandon your South-Node tendencies — which in any case would not be possible — but to integrate them with your North Node destiny. Some things seem mutually exclusive until you see the bigger picture."

Hmmm, not a bad idea.

I am having node issues (so to speak) of late myself. Well, I'm not exactly doing a LOT to change it right now (say, if I was forcing myself at gunpoint to date online, that would count), but I'm having kind of a sea change where my heart's desires are coming back...and I don't like them or want to act on them. It really stinks.