Interesting writeup on Beyonce's Virgo-ness in her music.
I just finished reading The Importance of Being Famous and there's a very...telling...interview with Karl Lagerfeld in it:
So.....what do you think he is astrologically that cites these points?"Karl has all the qualities of a virgin. He has great discipline. He does not need people around to be happy--he's very much into his dreams, his fantasies, and his books." -Gilles Dufour
"I was born to be alone." Lagerfeld says a fortune-teller first told him so when he was only eighteen, but he knew it already...He wouldn't need anybody else, the fortune-teller prophesied. "'There are things you can have and things you cannot have. One cannot have everything, and nobody can adjust to that as well as you.' She told me, 'You can never have a normal family life, so whatever the standard image is of happiness, family, friendship, bonheur [happiness], for you it doesn't work. Stay alone--watch the world--you can get everything if you are ready not to conform. Stay away from everything that is normal life.' Strange, eh?"
1: he's a Virgo. Here's his chart. So yes, he's got "all the qualities of a virgin." Virgo Sun conjunct Neptune would account for his dreaminess and fantasy world. And the Pisces moon comes out in the the point in the interview when he's crying about the death of his best friend, who seems to have been his equivalent of a "soul mate" and family even though they weren't romantically involved. I wonder about his codependency level a little since the Virgo/Pisces combo is prone to some kind of martyr/service thing. I suspect he's neither a Virgo or Pisces rising or he'd be more codependent, though. Apparently he wasn't compelled to get sexual or partner off for life, but it sounds like the best friend was his partner in life, more or less, even if it wasn't that sort of partnership.
I really wish I knew this guy's rising sign, not that you're ever likely to figure that out. (Apparently he tries to hide his birth date, but hah, there's evidence of that one.)
2. The fortune teller thing is VERY interesting to me. I suspected heavy Uranus influence, like he'd be an Aquarius rising or have Uranus rising (not that I can tell this). So all I can go on is the Uranian aspects in his chart, which are:
I suspect the sun trining Uranus and the Jupiter/Uranus combination are what lead to his super-independence and being unable to settle for a traditional "family life."
Sun trine Uranus orb -0°37'
Uranus trine Neptune orb +3°02'
Saturn semi-sextile Uranus orb +1°01'
Jupiter square Uranus orb -7°03'
In the same book, there's an interview at the end with Margot Fonteyn, and it goes on about how she was utterly self-sacrificing to her handicapped husband, how she didn't have an identity in her own head until she married him, and oh, how happy she was to do that sacrifice!
Naturally I was all, "Virgo," but...she's got NO Virgo whatsoever. What the heck? What accounts for this attitude?
I suspect I'd have to pin it on having Saturn on the descendant, and Sun, Moon, Mars, and Venus all tied to it. Saturn in the seventh is "hard knocks in love" anyway, but can manifest in having an ill partner. She felt bound in there, like "this is how love is supposed to go," and Saturn in Leo is kind of "hard on the family."
]]>I wouldn't argue with this.
]]>At the opposite end of the horoscope wheel is Virgo, which I firmly believe (in complete defiance of popular opinion and established teaching) is in fact the most karmically challenged sign in the zodiac. The reason why they don’t come into this world carrying karmic baggage is easy; it’s because they come into it dragging a huge, burden-packed steamer trunk behind them.
It’s just that their numerous karmic millstones tend to be overlooked because as the natural ruler of the sixth house of work and service, Virgos come into this world ready to roll up their sleeves and tackle the problems that no one else wants to face. You don’t even have to ask them for help, because it’s in their astrological DNA to step up to the plate and just do it.
HAUTE VIRGO is WITTY: Their unique brand of bitchy character analysis is hilarious. Virgo zooms in on the tiniest most revelatory details and expands them into a hyperbolic gushy tirade. They remember gags, anecdotes, and jokes and are able to tell them beautifully. Virgos are rightly adored across the known universe for their wit, humour, and observational skills. When told he’d have to “bite the bullet”, Hollywood Hunk Keanu Reeves replied ‘’yeah, but I don’t have to eat the whole rifle”.
LOW VIRGO is GUILTING: If anyone ever makes a horror film about Virgos it should be called The Guilting. All Virgos are elite, professional guilters. But it is not enough to be a natural-born guilter. Just as the world’s best ballet dancers still perform the basic maintenance chore of a thousand plies at the barre each day, Virgos are constantly honing their guilting skills. These can take the form of a dread silence, the infamous minute-long Virgo sigh or a clench-jawed “Seeing as you’re too busy to make it over Christmas, I’ll put your nephew on to talk to you…. I suppose hearing your voice will be some small comfort for the poor thing…” Whether they know it nor not, most Virgos consider themselves to be saints. And what is the main occupation of most saints? That’s right, martyrdom. The Virgo worship of natural fibres is really leading up to one obvious outcome, the hairshirt. It would add extra oomph to their “after all I have sacrificed for you” and “slaving over a hot oven” speeches. But martyrs also create miracles and there are many such manifestations of St. Virgo’s powers. There is the St. Virgo “entertaining the in-laws at Easter” miracle, the “St. Virgo arising from their sick bed to hang out the washing” miracle and the “St. Virgo nearly breaking a bone dashing to answer the phone” miracle. Reserved for special occasions are the “St. Virgo marrying beneath themselves” miracle and “St. Virgo selfessly wrecking brilliant career for the children” miracle.
]]>"Because Virgo is always sooo atypical. “Oh, I am not the typical Virgo, ” she doth protest. “The other week i let the fridge go without being vanilla wiped and the top shelf was not even colour co-ordinated.”
Or “I am like the opposite of what Virgos are meant to be like. Are you aware that your left sock has shrunk slightly in the wash or something and so it is out of kilter with the other? You can see that they are meant to match and are of the same pair but the left one is slightly more offwhite and the texture is not so smooth as that on the right.”
And “I am such an atypical Virgo. I was five minutes late to every single one of my appointments last Wednesday although it wasn’t my fault as I was having my curtains drycleaned and I had to ensure they used the correct cleaning product.”
Remember Charlie Sheen was one of the few clients sprung in the Heidi Fleiss escort scandal because he kept meticulous records."
"Besides that, Venus in Virgo tends to project a sort of “I am an unmarried woman who prefers to read dense books” kind of air. This does not mean she didn’t want someone to take the librarian glasses off her face and kiss her hard, but it rarely occurred."
Hah. I have no Virgo at all, but I so look/act like that. Maybe I need to hook up with a Venus in Virgo guy...except I'm not perfect enough.
I do know a chick with Venus in Virgo who says it makes her a perfect lover. *snicker* :) She of course married another Virgo.
What makes you worry? Virgo + Mercury conjunct Saturn.
"If you want the nitty-gritty on someone, where they live, but prefer not to, you need to take a look at their Saturn points. Saturn in your natal chart, a planet in Capricorn, the house that has Capricorn on the cusp, are the places where we experience fear and loathing. Like a scary scene in a horror movie we hide our faces so we don’t get too freaked out.
Where the Taskmaster holds court is where Daddy didn’t love us enough, where we fear we don’t measure up. Because of the fear factor, it is also the place where we can fail to see important truths about ourselves.
I recently had a conversation with someone about their Saturn. I made a comment about their Saturn qualities, that they were an important resource. “Can you explain that? the person said, “I feel like I’m missing something here.”
Exactly.
Its not as if we don’t get the point, we don’t want to look at the point in the first place. The first messages we receive from Saturn are filled with so much pain we avoid then as much as possible."
I'm feeling annoyed at Virgo-types of late. Especially one who keeps reiterating about "service."
I know, I know, that's what they're born to do, but gah anyway. I'm tired of hearing about it.